the military in support of america. >> abernethy: is there anything about his being a very devout muslim that could explain to you his shooting? >> for me, it was. >> abernethy: his alleged shooting. >> for me, what happened on that thursday has nothing to do with islam. islam does not stand in support of such shooting. actually, according to islamic law, what he did was criminal, immoral, and unethical, and against the teachings of islam in every way, shape, and form. >> abernethy: when he apparently... when he began shooting, he shouted out "allahu akbar," in arabic, "god is great." >> yeah. you know muslims use that phrase, "allahu akbar," like "oh, gosh" in english, "oh, my lord, oh, my god." it does not really have a religious motivation always and all the time. >> abernethy: you have counseled a lot of muslim soldiers and marines. is there any conflict for any of them at least sometimes between being muslim and then having to go someplace where they are fighting muslims? >> you know overall, most of the soldiers we have and muslim soldiers in the u.s. military are loyal americans a